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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am originally from the area around Moel Famau, although I have now sadly moved away and visit regularly to enjoy the beautiful countryside area. I enjoy both the adrenaline of zip wires and peace of the countryside, so I feel I&#039;m able to understand both sides to the argument.

I agree with Tina completely, go-ape is an arenaline site visitors do not really, in general care about where it is located.

As for enjoying the area as it is the road links are already at best tricky and could be described as dangerous as many of you have. And the site would force improvement of these routes. But sadly the placing of such a site would drive many of the current users to other areas where they can really &#039;escape&#039; and relax making any improvements of little use to current users.

Yes, it cannot be disagreed that such a site would mean more money would be spent in the area. That cannot be disagreed, the issue is where does that money go. The cost of going to a go ape site (£20 child, £30 adult) could cover parking and a simple meal for 2 in the area as it is. Imagine a visiting family of four for example, £100 would be spent on the site alone. What are the chances of them deciding to going out for a meal in the area afterwards. Surely most will go home and save any further cost or stop at a takeout for quick and cheep on the road back. Bassically big increase in spending in the area, lots for go ape, and very little if not a decrease for local businesses.

There are already Go Ape sites close enough for those of us that wants to visit one in Delamere or Coed-Y-Brenin, how can they justify ruining another area for those of us who enjoy the escape of the countryside with othersites close enough for those of us who want to go zip wiring? For those of the people that are pro the proposed Go-Ape site, tell me what&#039;s wrong with the existing sites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am originally from the area around Moel Famau, although I have now sadly moved away and visit regularly to enjoy the beautiful countryside area. I enjoy both the adrenaline of zip wires and peace of the countryside, so I feel I&#8217;m able to understand both sides to the argument.</p>
<p>I agree with Tina completely, go-ape is an arenaline site visitors do not really, in general care about where it is located.</p>
<p>As for enjoying the area as it is the road links are already at best tricky and could be described as dangerous as many of you have. And the site would force improvement of these routes. But sadly the placing of such a site would drive many of the current users to other areas where they can really &#8216;escape&#8217; and relax making any improvements of little use to current users.</p>
<p>Yes, it cannot be disagreed that such a site would mean more money would be spent in the area. That cannot be disagreed, the issue is where does that money go. The cost of going to a go ape site (£20 child, £30 adult) could cover parking and a simple meal for 2 in the area as it is. Imagine a visiting family of four for example, £100 would be spent on the site alone. What are the chances of them deciding to going out for a meal in the area afterwards. Surely most will go home and save any further cost or stop at a takeout for quick and cheep on the road back. Bassically big increase in spending in the area, lots for go ape, and very little if not a decrease for local businesses.</p>
<p>There are already Go Ape sites close enough for those of us that wants to visit one in Delamere or Coed-Y-Brenin, how can they justify ruining another area for those of us who enjoy the escape of the countryside with othersites close enough for those of us who want to go zip wiring? For those of the people that are pro the proposed Go-Ape site, tell me what&#8217;s wrong with the existing sites?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 21:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have visited several of the Go Ape sites and the reason the people visit is the activity itself and not the scenery! People don&#039;t stay locally or visit the local towns; they spent 3 hours at Go Ape and then go home.  As such, there is absolutely no reason to afffect the tranquillity and have a site in such a beautiful and peaceful area. 

At both Delemere Forest and Coed y Brenin the amount of cars with Go Ape customers is extremely obvious and the roads are much better equipped than the lanes to Moel Famau. 

However, I agree with others, there are other potential sites in the area, such as Coed Llandegla, that are better equipped.  I hope that money (for Go Ape and the local councils) doesn&#039;t end up being a bigger factor for a go head than protecting this area. I agree with Laura I love Moel Famau and love Go Ape, but serious consideration should be given to a more fitting site for Go Ape&#039;s latest edition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have visited several of the Go Ape sites and the reason the people visit is the activity itself and not the scenery! People don&#8217;t stay locally or visit the local towns; they spent 3 hours at Go Ape and then go home.  As such, there is absolutely no reason to afffect the tranquillity and have a site in such a beautiful and peaceful area. </p>
<p>At both Delemere Forest and Coed y Brenin the amount of cars with Go Ape customers is extremely obvious and the roads are much better equipped than the lanes to Moel Famau. </p>
<p>However, I agree with others, there are other potential sites in the area, such as Coed Llandegla, that are better equipped.  I hope that money (for Go Ape and the local councils) doesn&#8217;t end up being a bigger factor for a go head than protecting this area. I agree with Laura I love Moel Famau and love Go Ape, but serious consideration should be given to a more fitting site for Go Ape&#8217;s latest edition.</p>
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		<title>By: debra ward</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator>debra ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 07:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you have lived by moel famau  you are very lucky people to have such a splendid view, i am from liverpool and drive down to experience this splendour i think its the most peaceful place with amazing views i am puzzled as to why any one would want to spoil it, 
If i wanted go ape i would take the short drive to find one they are never really to far away,   so i say leave well alone .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you have lived by moel famau  you are very lucky people to have such a splendid view, i am from liverpool and drive down to experience this splendour i think its the most peaceful place with amazing views i am puzzled as to why any one would want to spoil it,<br />
If i wanted go ape i would take the short drive to find one they are never really to far away,   so i say leave well alone .</p>
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		<title>By: Delamere Hiker</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Delamere Hiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I&#039;ve been walking in Delamere for years, and now it&#039;s not the same, i&#039;ve spoken to many residents who have agreed that things are so bad they are even moving... The F.C dont care about residents, just whatever money making scheme brings in people. As for Go Ape, it was one of the worst days in Delamere&#039;s history when it opened and the sooner Go Ape closes down and takes all the traffic with it. 4 Years is quite enough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I&#8217;ve been walking in Delamere for years, and now it&#8217;s not the same, i&#8217;ve spoken to many residents who have agreed that things are so bad they are even moving&#8230; The F.C dont care about residents, just whatever money making scheme brings in people. As for Go Ape, it was one of the worst days in Delamere&#8217;s history when it opened and the sooner Go Ape closes down and takes all the traffic with it. 4 Years is quite enough</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Laura and Runcorn Scouser!  Your views are echo&#039;d by hundreds of others,  including local people...if you&#039;d like to be kept up to date perhaps you&#039;d like to join the Friends of Moel Famua? ( http://moelfamau.com). We&#039;d love your support!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Laura and Runcorn Scouser!  Your views are echo&#8217;d by hundreds of others,  including local people&#8230;if you&#8217;d like to be kept up to date perhaps you&#8217;d like to join the Friends of Moel Famua? ( <a href="http://moelfamau.com" rel="nofollow">http://moelfamau.com</a>). We&#8217;d love your support!</p>
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		<title>By: Runcorn Scouser</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Runcorn Scouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, thank you expressed my thoughts completely....still love Delamere, but walking round the lake with people dangling above me simply doesn&#039;t appeal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, thank you expressed my thoughts completely&#8230;.still love Delamere, but walking round the lake with people dangling above me simply doesn&#8217;t appeal</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regularly visit Moel Famau and Delamere and I&#039;ve even used the Go Ape course at Delamere twice.  When I go to walk at Delamere I tend to stay as far away as possible from the Go Ape course, but still can&#039;t help hear endless screaming.  The noise is minimised slightly by the trees.  I spent four hours walking around Moel Famau yesterday.  I visited from Liverpool (I parked in the car park and I didn&#039;t leave any litter) and really enjoyed the peace and quiet.  I did notice how well sound travels around there (probably because there are less trees and buildings) and how well I could hear things that were going on, such as dogs barking in the valley, sheep in nearby fields and even cars on roads that were over a mile away from where I was at the time.  

I love Moel Famau and I love Go Ape but I would NOT love to see the two combined.  The Go Ape people say the rent money paid to the Forestry Commission will be reinvested to improve facilities... my understanding is the facilities are fine just now (apart from the lack of bins, which the Forestry Commission refuse to install and empty anyway!) 

I would definitely not go walking within ear shot of this development so would not be returning to Moel Famau for my peace and quiet and days of walking if this goes ahead.  I&#039;m pretty sure that my walking friends would not want to walk anywhere near this place either and listen to endless screams when trying to get some peace and tranquillity in to their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regularly visit Moel Famau and Delamere and I&#8217;ve even used the Go Ape course at Delamere twice.  When I go to walk at Delamere I tend to stay as far away as possible from the Go Ape course, but still can&#8217;t help hear endless screaming.  The noise is minimised slightly by the trees.  I spent four hours walking around Moel Famau yesterday.  I visited from Liverpool (I parked in the car park and I didn&#8217;t leave any litter) and really enjoyed the peace and quiet.  I did notice how well sound travels around there (probably because there are less trees and buildings) and how well I could hear things that were going on, such as dogs barking in the valley, sheep in nearby fields and even cars on roads that were over a mile away from where I was at the time.  </p>
<p>I love Moel Famau and I love Go Ape but I would NOT love to see the two combined.  The Go Ape people say the rent money paid to the Forestry Commission will be reinvested to improve facilities&#8230; my understanding is the facilities are fine just now (apart from the lack of bins, which the Forestry Commission refuse to install and empty anyway!) </p>
<p>I would definitely not go walking within ear shot of this development so would not be returning to Moel Famau for my peace and quiet and days of walking if this goes ahead.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that my walking friends would not want to walk anywhere near this place either and listen to endless screams when trying to get some peace and tranquillity in to their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Runcorn Scouser</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Runcorn Scouser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a regular user of Moel Famau and also Delamere Forest which already has a Go Ape attraction installed,  I would recommend Moel Famau is indeed kept as is and the Go Ape money machine move their plans down the road to Loggerheads which appears to be more geared up commercially for their money spinning dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a regular user of Moel Famau and also Delamere Forest which already has a Go Ape attraction installed,  I would recommend Moel Famau is indeed kept as is and the Go Ape money machine move their plans down the road to Loggerheads which appears to be more geared up commercially for their money spinning dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live within view of moel famau, and I support the idea! I think it would be good fun for people, bring people to the area and possibly help attract more people to come to places like the collomendy which nearly shut before kingswood moved in!  And I do like a walk up the mountain .... But there are others to walk up.... Or build it on another but either way it should be built! That&#039;s my opinion anyway and that&#039;s all from me. 
It&#039;s asif some of you on here just want to argue with people who do want it! And  yes meic is a little weird but I don&#039;t think he thrives on being unpleasant ha ! Just man up Brendan !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live within view of moel famau, and I support the idea! I think it would be good fun for people, bring people to the area and possibly help attract more people to come to places like the collomendy which nearly shut before kingswood moved in!  And I do like a walk up the mountain &#8230;. But there are others to walk up&#8230;. Or build it on another but either way it should be built! That&#8217;s my opinion anyway and that&#8217;s all from me.<br />
It&#8217;s asif some of you on here just want to argue with people who do want it! And  yes meic is a little weird but I don&#8217;t think he thrives on being unpleasant ha ! Just man up Brendan !</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/go-ape-plans-for-moel-famau/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 20:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you all need to chill out, perhaps a good run on a zip wire would do you the world of good :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you all need to chill out, perhaps a good run on a zip wire would do you the world of good <img src='http://www.moelfamau.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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